awww so sorry to hear that swoops your in my thoughts and prayers

I'm really sorry to hear that. My thoughts are with you.

(((( srgswoop ))))

I'm sorry to hear this , I pray everything will be ok

Sorry to hear that. Yes, lets pray for a cure soon!

I pray that everything works out for you.

I am so sorry you recieved such bad news...Your in my thoughts..I am here if you want to talk. I dont know a whole lot...Some tho..Michele is right..I would check out Montels site...And surf around the net. Your doctor should be able to help you to...hang in there...and know you have a bunch of peeps here pulling for ya.

BEST WISHES FOR TODAY & ALWAYS!!!! There is so much info out there ~ try the MS Society site @ : http://www.nmss.org/

*you are in our thoughts*

SORRY TO HEAR THAT PRAYERS TO YOU.

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Originally posted by lighthouseseeker:
GOD! I'M SORRY TO HEAR THAT ..SOMETIMES I GET SUSPICIOUS FOR MYSELF HAVING IT OR NOT, BUT IT IS NOT THAT EASY TO DIAGNOSE MS ACCORDING WHAT I READ AND HEARD BEFORE..ARE YOU SURE?

yeah ...its alot of the same symptoms as manic depression ...which ive been diagnosed many times since age 15 ...and my doc is re-diagnosing me in six months to make sure its not bipolar and makin sure its not MS...coz my muscles are soooo tight for no reason and never have been like this until now and im 36....ive got some literature on it ...so i will get it together and send it to you ...it is a VERY slow progression ...like many years. ...im sorry. ... yeah go to MONTELs site ...it hit him late in life too. .... ttyl about it ...plus its just as hard to diagnose manic depression as well as MS ...coz they have alot of symptoms of other things. ...like bipolar has the same as drug abuse ...same habits n stuff....talk to you soon about this ...im sorry . ....*

What can one say to that? It ****s bigtime, but you have friends here that will stand by you in the dark moments. They check me for MS every six months or so as well. So far I only have Lumbar Scelrosis and Arthritis. *Whew*

My thoughts are with you.
((((Hug))))

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Originally posted by majik:

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Originally posted by lighthouseseeker:
GOD! I'M SORRY TO HEAR THAT ..SOMETIMES I GET SUSPICIOUS FOR MYSELF HAVING IT OR NOT, BUT IT IS NOT THAT EASY TO DIAGNOSE MS ACCORDING WHAT I READ AND HEARD BEFORE..ARE YOU SURE?

yeah ...its alot of the same symptoms as manic depression ...which ive been diagnosed many times since age 15 ...and my doc is re-diagnosing me in six months to make sure its not bipolar and makin sure its not MS...coz my muscles are soooo tight for no reason and never have been like this until now and im 36....ive got some literature on it ...so i will get it together and send it to you ...it is a VERY slow progression ...like many years. ...im sorry. ... yeah go to MONTELs site ...it hit him late in life too. .... ttyl about it ...plus its just as hard to diagnose manic depression as well as MS ...coz they have alot of symptoms of other things. ...like bipolar has the same as drug abuse ...same habits n stuff....talk to you soon about this ...im sorry . ....*

Hey Majik...You so dont have to respond I understand...But I just have to throw this out there...I know many peeps who suffer from both bipolar and manic depression...I dont know if your on medication for it...But I do know that sometimes long time use of the meds cause Tardive Dyskensia...Which does all kinds of things to your muscles...If u are taking meds...And I am so not judging either way...I would just mention it to your doc. I hope your well

I'm sorry to hear that... I hope that you can find the guidance that you need. My brothers girlfriend has it, and she gives herself injections that really help alot. They are always coming up with something new in medicine these days... Never give hope!
Take care!

wowsers i will be praying
i want to look up the symtoms

I was watching a show today and thought you ..

There is this thing called
" BEE STING THERAPY "

This woman has MS and she would put bee on her and the sting from the bee helps her with her MS


BEE VENOM THERAPY
by Mihály Simics


Bee venom therapy is the part of apitherapy which utilizes bee venom in the treatment of health conditions. Apitherapy is the use of beehive products, including honey, pollen, propolis, royal jelly, bee venom. It has been used since ancient times to treat arthritis, rheumatism, back pain, skin diseases and in this modern age as an alternative therapy to treat multiple sclerosis, Lyme disease and chronic fatigue syndrome. Bee venom comes from the stingers of honey bees who use it in defense of the bee colony.

Bee venom is a rich source of enzymes, peptides and biogenic amines. There are at least 18 active components in the venom which have some pharmaceutical properties. The effect mechanism of the venom is not entirely know yet. Scientists believe it can modify the way the immune system functions in the body and contribute to increased cortisol production.

Traditionally, bee venom was administered with live bees by stimulating them to sting in the affected area, trigger points or acupuncture points. Depending on the nature of the disease, the standardized venom can be used in a cream, liniment, ointment or injection form. Bee venom is most effective when it comes directly from the live bee during the late spring to early fall season when bees have a good pollen source to produce potent venom. Their venom during the winter period is less potent. Next to the effect of a live bee, injectable venom solution is considered to be a standard method to administer bee venom. Venom solution is prepared from pure bee venom (Apis Venenum Purum) and is a homeopathic preparation. It is administered intradermally just between the skin layers or subcutaneously under the skin to imitate the effect of a bee sting. Each injection is equivalent to or is less than the average dry venom sac content of a honey bee. Bee venom is also used topically in creams, liniments and ointments. The application of venom solution with electrophoresis or ultrasonophoresis is practiced in Europe and China.

Bee venom therapy is practiced by health practitioners and lay apitherapists. There are treatment protocols available to follow. In general, the therapy starts with the determination of whether the patient is allergic to the venom by administering a small amount of venom intradermally. If no allergic reaction develops within a certain time, the therapy is continued with the administration of one to two bee stings or injections. The therapy is carried out every other day (three times a week) by gradually increasing the number of bee stings or injections. The length of the therapy is determined by the nature and severity of the condition.

There is discomfort associated with the administration of bee venom including pain, itching, swelling, inflammation and redness. Symptoms like redness, swelling and itching are desired effects of the therapy showing the response of the patient to the venom. The more severe the reaction, but not anaphylaxis, the faster the recovery. Anaphylactic reactions which can be life threatening are also reported from bee venom, but they are rare.

The literature of bee venom therapy is very extensive and lists over 2,000 titles. There are basic guidelines of the therapy which need to be followed. The education on the part of the patient and the therapist is critical and the obtained result is proportional to the knowledge and experience of the administrator of the venom.

Bee venom therapy is an alternative form of healing. In the hands of a licensed practitioner, it is considered to be safe and can be used when the patient does not respond to conventional treatment methods.

Apitronic Services
Richmond, BC


Apitherapy, the medicinal use of honey bee products, has been practiced since ancient times. In the modern world honey bee venom has found wide uses in treating arthritis and other inflammatory and degenerative diseases. The world scientific literature contains more than 1500 articles on bee venom. The French and Russian equivalents of the N.I.H. have been involved in clinical studies of honey bee venom, and in the U.S., the Army has looked extensively at the chemical compounds in bee venom.

Honey bee venom contains at least 18 active substances. Melittin, the most prevalent substance, is one of the most potent anti-inflammatory agents known (100 times more potent than hydrocortisol). Adolapin is another strong anti-inflammatory substance, and inhibits cyclooxygenase; it thus has analgesic activity as well. Apamin inhibits complement C3 activity, and blocks calcium-dependent potassium channels, thus enhancing nerve transmission. Other substances, such as Compound X, Hyaluronidase, Phospholipase A2, Histamine, and Mast Cell Degranulating Protein (MSDP), are involved in the inflammatory response of venom, with the softening of tissue and the facilitation of flow of the other substances. Finally, there are measurable amounts of the neurotransmitters Dopamine, Norepinephrine and Seratonin.

Bee Venom therapy can be useful in a wide variety of medical situations. Charles Mraz, a beekeeper in Middlebury, Vermont who has popularized bee venom therapy for the past 60 years, says that it is reasonable to try bee venom therapy in any clinical situation where nothing else works. However, there are four situations which are most frequent:

Arthritis and other systemic inflammations. Bee venom therapy can be useful in both rheumatoid and osteoarthritis, helping with both pain and swelling. In the case of rheumatoid arthritis, rheumatoid nodules can lessen in size. Other connective tissue diseases such as scleroderma have been (anecdotally) helped by BVT. Even systemic inflammations not related to joints, such as ulcerative colitis or even asthma, may warrant a trial of bee venom. This is presumedly due to stimulation of endogenous cortisol through the hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal axis.
Acute and chronic injuries. Bursitis, tendonitis and other areas of injury respond well to bee venom therapy. In this case, the effect is probably a local anti-inflammatory effect, involving the humoral and cellular immune responses to a foreign protein. Chronic back and neck pain may respond, as can other aches and pains.
Scar tissue. Keloids and other scar tissue are broken down and softened by the substances in the venom, and can flatten out and fade in color. Internalscar tissue, such as adhesions from previous surgery, may respond to treatment over the area.
Multiple Sclerosis. This use of bee venom is poorly understood, and needs to be studied further. Recently, the MS Association of America awarded a grant to an immunologist, Dr. John Santilli, to prepare the venom in extract form to study its effect on MS patients. Hundreds of patients with MS currently seek out bee venom therapists and beekeepers. The treatment is prolonged and not for the squeamish, but the common responses are increased stability, less fatigue, and less spasm.
Bee Venom Therapy can be performed by a beekeeper, or by a patient or partner who is taught to use the bees.

A bee is removed from a jar or hive with tweezers, held over an area of the body, which it then stings. The number, sites, and frequency of the stings depend on the patient and the problem. A simple tendonitis might just take a few stings, perhaps 2-3 at a session for 2-5 sessions. A more chronic problem like arthritis can take 2-3 times per week, several stings at a time, for 1-3 months. Multiple sclerosis takes months to respond, though sometimes patients feel more energetic after a few times. MS patients who use bee venom insist that one must keep it up 2-3 times per week for 6 months in order to give it a full trial.

There are physicians around who use bee venom therapy in their practices. This is done by obtaining the venom (in sterilized vials) and injecting it under the skin, sometimes mixed with a local anesthetic. Some say that collecting the venom in vials loses some of its potency, but in many situations this is more realistic than finding a beekeeper or handling bees.

Side effects of bee venom therapy are generally limited, since the inflammation, swelling, itching, etc. are desired effects. However, the risk of an anaphylactic allergic reaction to bee venom is real, and it is always wise to have a bee sting allergy kit on hand. Fortunately, most "bee" sting allergic reactions are actually to yellow jackets or wasps. Honey bee venom does not necessarily cross-react, and some studies show honey bee stings to account for less than 5% of all adverse stinging insect reactions. In addition, many people who have had severe local reactions to bee stings, which an apitherapist would consider a positive effect, are incorrectly considered to have allergy to bees.

Finding a beekeeper who is willing to sting someone is a matter of calling local beekeepers and organizations. There is also the American Apitherapy Society, headquartered in Scarsdale, N.Y. They sponsor an annual conference on apitherapy (bee venom therapy). Books of interest include Bees Don't Get Arthritis by Fred Malone (Academy Books) and Bee in Balance by Amber Rose (Starpoint Ltd).

Some related sources of information.

The American Apitherapy Society,Inc.
1209 Post Road
Scarsdale, NY 10583-2023
(914) 725-7944 Fax- (914) 723-0920
Email : aasoffice@apitherapy.org

Apitronics, Inc. (Mihaly Simics)
9611 No. 4 Road
Richmond, B.C., Canada, V7A 2Z1
Ph./Fax (604) 271-9414
E-mail: msimics@direct.ca
Website: www.beevenom.com