Please read article I cut and pasted below, what are your thoughts on this pro's and cons?



Feds to collect DNA from every person they arrest By EILEEN SULLIVAN, Associated Press Writer
Wed Apr 16, 7:39 PM ET



WASHINGTON - The government plans to begin collecting DNA samples from anyone arrested by a federal law enforcement agency — a move intended to prevent violent crime but which also is raising concerns about the privacy of innocent people.

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Using authority granted by Congress, the government also plans to collect DNA samples from foreigners who are detained, whether they have been charged or not. The DNA would be collected through a cheek swab, Justice Department spokesman Erik Ablin said Wednesday. That would be a departure from current practice, which limits DNA collection to convicted felons.

Expanding the DNA database, known as CODIS, raises civil liberties questions about the potential for misuse of such personal information, such as family ties and genetic conditions.

Ablin said the DNA collection would be subject to the same privacy laws applied to current DNA sampling. That means none of it would be used for identifying genetic traits, diseases or disorders.

Congress gave the Justice Department the authority to expand DNA collection in two different laws passed in 2005 and 2006.

There are dozens of federal law enforcement agencies, ranging from the FBI to the Library of Congress Police. The federal government estimates it makes about 140,000 arrests each year.

Justice officials estimate the new collecting requirements would add DNA from an additional 1.2 million people to the database each year.

Those who support the expanded collection believe that DNA sampling could get violent criminals off the streets and prevent them from committing more crimes.

A Chicago study in 2005 found that 53 murders and rapes could have been prevented if a DNA sample had been collected upon arrest.

"Many innocent lives could have been saved had the government began this kind of DNA sampling in the 1990s when the technology to do so first became available," Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., said. Kyl sponsored the 2005 law that gave the Justice Department this authority.

Thirteen states have similar laws: Alaska, Arizona, California, Kansas, Louisiana, Maryland, Minnesota, New Mexico, North Dakota, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas and Virginia.

The new regulation would mean that the federal government could store DNA samples of people who are not guilty of any crime, said Jesselyn McCurdy, legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union.

"Now innocent people's DNA will be put into this huge CODIS database, and it will be very difficult for them to get it out if they are not charged or convicted of a crime," McCurdy said.

If a person is arrested but not convicted, he or she can ask the Justice Department to destroy the sample.

The Homeland Security Department — the federal agency charged with policing immigration — supports the new rule.

"DNA is a proven law-enforcement tool," DHS spokesman Russ Knocke said.

The rule would not allow for DNA samples to be collected from immigrants who are legally in the United States or those being processed for admission, unless the person was arrested.

The proposed rule is being published in the Federal Register. That will be followed by a 30-day comment period.

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I don't like the idea, because then they can frame whomever they wish. Not, that they don't now, but it would be umpteen times easier.They could just... smear-a-felon.

My first reaction is whatever, who cares doesn't effect me as I am a law abidding citizen BUT then as I was thinking it through.........I agree Pen, and what if they cross contaminate dna and get the wrong person etc etc. I think it just opens up an ENTIRE boat load of worms (hehe just toss the can of worms on this one) and would cause scads of litigation and Lord knows we don't need that!

PENN ,ONCE AGAIN YOU 'VE DISSAPOINTED ME,frame who ? on their own d.n.a.?you need a swab for over 100,000 coverage on life insurance ,you've got to be kidding me ,you'd let a panty sniffing freak ,or child molester walk on a bogus charge plead down to a misderminer ,'cause of lack of evidence?

d.n.a is 9.9999999 percent accurate ,it's a 100 to 1 shot of cross refrencing those exams ,it's as accurate as a birth control pill [if you take them the way their prescribed] can you relate.

EP I do see Pen's side of things, God above knows I love my country but.......then there is reality. Unfortunately we all know of cases of where we have been let down and justice was not served. The reasons are arbitary but fact still remains, who is going to store the DNA, how secure is it because we all protect ourselves against Identity theft, this would be the ULTIMATE Theft of someone's identity......ponder it for a while

people who still i.ds are *******s who go through your garbage at 2 a.m. ol' hustlers who get a credit card number ,from someone who is'nt paying attention ,convicts going through obituarys to see who died ,then calling to obtain their social and use that name on a passport,you compare that to the F.B.I.?

FBI agents are only human.......human's make mistakes. Keep pondering the what if's and toss in some civil rights, shake that up and ponder again for a bit

''are you high?'' if you love the bad ones so much move to juarez ,mexico across from el paso they'll show you how much they care about YOUR rights before they [GOD forbid ] severe your head of ,and laugh about it after wards grengo,quit watching so much c.s.i. ********.
have you ever been out of this country?

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Originally posted by E.P.:
PENN ,ONCE AGAIN YOU 'VE DISSAPOINTED ME,frame who ? on their own d.n.a.?you need a swab for over 100,000 coverage on life insurance ,you've got to be kidding me ,you'd let a panty sniffing freak ,or child molester walk on a bogus charge plead down to a misderminer ,'cause of lack of evidence?

If I took up kick boxing , it'd be right now.

i heard that, girl (((((((((KAPOW!))))))))
watch out china o'brian ,penn will **** yo *** up!

Didnt mean no O'brien.Look a little closer to home.

once again you make no since ,do the voices in your head stutter?

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Posted 04-18-2008 03:30 PM Hide Post
''are you high?'' if you love the bad ones so much move to juarez ,mexico across from el paso they'll show you how much they care about YOUR rights before they [GOD forbid ] severe your head of ,and laugh about it after wards grengo,quit watching so much c.s.i. ********.
have you ever been out of this country?

Don't even know where to start, I don't know WHERE you got that I love the bad ones or even how this topic digressed into CSI??????

Would you like to count the stamps in my passport to see how many times I have been out of the Good Ol' USA?

Stay on topic if you are going to respond. We are not looking to turn this board back into a bashing aka p.i.s.s.i.n.g contest.

Typically intelligent humans are able to express the thoughts and ideals and present info so that it may cause others to think.

double,double,giant size, maximum fascism...Heil to that ugly idea!!!!
c'mon dear EP!! this is no longer a matter of bad guys good guys or cops'n robbers..this is about,C-O-N-T-R-O-L-E..
just curious,don't you really feel safe in any place out of USA?? hope not ..our planet is round, because this way,it's easier to hug it
as a whole.. why shouldn't we??

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