Since Obama just couldn`t wait to declassify documents that show our enemies our tactics....why isn`t he declassifying the other documents which prove those very tactics work?? He`s not because it would cast a better light onto the subject matter.


The issue of the Bush memos being released isn't going to die anytime soon, especially with Barack Obama opening up the possibility of prosecution of Bush officials who approved such interrogation techniques. We are talking about this asinine assertion that waterboarding is torture.

I'll say this again - and you'll groan again - but if someone has information that could save thousands of lives, wouldn't you do anything you could to get that information? Pull out the bamboo shoots. Dump water over the guy's head. Poke 'em in the eye. You do everything you can until he talks. That's why this whole "torture" debate is such nonsense. You can sit on your high horse and bemoan torture all you want, but if it is the life of someone you cherish on the line my guess is that you are suddenly in the mood to make exceptions.

In the case of Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the September 11th mastermind ... that's exactly what the CIA did. And guess what? It worked. Because the CIA waterboarded this Islamic goon, he revealed information that led the US government to thwart a planned attack on Los Angeles.

If that attack had gone through, or if other attacks since had culminated in the death of just one American at the hands of these Muslim goons ... I wonder what the virtuous Barack Obama would have to say.

Number 2 stooge in charge, Nancy Pelosi denies she knew anything about waterboarding. Documentation says that stooge #2 is not telling the truth. Big surprise, huh? lol

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I'll say this again - and you'll groan again - but if someone has information that could save thousands of lives, wouldn't you do anything you could to get that information? Pull out the bamboo shoots. Dump water over the guy's head. Poke 'em in the eye. You do everything you can until he talks. That's why this whole "torture" debate is such nonsense. You can sit on your high horse and bemoan torture all you want, but if it is the life of someone you cherish on the line my guess is that you are suddenly in the mood to make exceptions.

I love it when you talk to yourself and THIS....THIS?? How "Christian" an opinion.

I think that perhaps if non-christians were able to grasp the entire realm of the situtation; come to an understanding of God`s word rather than rely on a few nice scriptures here and there that are nice to have on a keychain or a magnet on the fridge, they would understand.

Oh, trust me, I've learned more about Christians from Ches than I'll ever find on a magnet,still I think the magnets and keychains...should be a much more valuable statement by any stretch of the imagination, then what I just quoted. What I EXPECT to hear from Christians and what I see...the chasm is DEEP betwixt the two.

Srsly?

WWJD??

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Originally posted by pen dragon:


WWJD??

Since you ask....


If Jesus came to your house, I wonder what you'd do.

Yes, if Jesus came to your house, to spend a day or two,
If He came unexpected, just dropped in on you.
I know you'd give your nicest room to such an honored guest,
And all the food you'd serve to Him would be the very best.
And you would keep assuring Him you're glad to have Him there,
That serving Him in your home is joy beyond compare.

But when you saw Him coming, would you meet Him at the door
With arms outstretched in welcome to your heavenly visitor?
Or would you have to change your clothes before you let Him in?
Or hide some magazines and put the Bible where they'd been?
Would you turn off the radio and hope He hadn't heard?
And wish you hadn't uttered that last loud hasty word?
And would you hide your worldly music and put some hymn books out?
Could you let Jesus just walk right in, or would you rush about?

And I wonder if the Savior spent a day or two with you,
Would you go right on doing the things you always do?
Would you go right on saying the things you always say?
Would life for you continue as it does from day to day?
And would your family conversation keep up it's usual pace?
And would you find it hard each meal to say a table grace?
Would you sing the songs you always sing, and read the books you read,
And let Him know the things on which your mind and spirit feed?

And would you take Jesus with you everywhere you'd planned to go?
Or maybe would you change your plans for just a day or so?
Would you be glad to have Him meet your very closest friends,
Or hope that they would stay away until His visit ends?
And would you be glad to have Him stay forever on and on?
Or would you sigh with great relief when He at last was gone?

Oh, it might be interesting to know the things that you would do,
If Jesus came in person to spend some time with you.

Written by Red Sovine

If God had a name, what would it be
And would you call it to his face
If you were faced with him in all his glory
What would you ask if you had just one question

And yeah yeah God is great yeah yeah God is good
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

What if God was one of us
Just a slob like one of us
Just a stranger on the bus
Trying to make his way home

If God had a face what would it look like
And would you want to see
If seeing meant that you would have to believe
In things like heaven and in jesus and the saints and all the prophets

And yeah yeah god is great yeah yeah god is good
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

What if God was one of us
Just a slob like one of us
Just a stranger on the bus
Trying to make his way home
He's trying to make his way home
Back up to heaven all alone
Nobody calling on the phone
Except for the pope maybe in rome

And yeah yeah God is great yeah yeah God is good
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

What if god was one of us
Just a slob like one of us
Just a stranger on the bus
Trying to make his way home
Just trying to make his way home
Like a holy rolling stone
Back up to heaven all alone
Just trying to make his way home
Nobody calling on the phone
Except for the pope maybe in rome


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I'd run out the door and say WHAT TOOOK YOU, but I would hide my "Jesus says to poke you in the eye" magnet.

I just dont think that the Prince Of Peace, who was tortured to death, by those who "do not know what they do" would prescribe it.

The Bible is alot deeper than you know. It goes into alot more than just "love thy neighbor" Yes, it does teach about love but that`s not all it teaches.

Hatred?

Nope, I suggest you pick one up and read it.

You'd need to help me with the big words, winky.

That`s no problem.

I'd so hug you right now.

I would so have my arms outstretched awaiting your hug.....but I`d have to search you first for any weapons. LOL JK