Uniqe, I am in it and I can see clearer what's happening..till now, people in Turkey lived in peace with other religions, yes the majority are muslims but nothing like in Saudi Arabia,this is a democratic republic,men married only one woman,people dress like you and me, everyone free in their belief..NOW it's changing and US goverment and EU are the sponsors of the movement of radical islam here in Turkey.In other words,Christian world is helping those dark minded fools to take the country to dark ages..now what's that?..it happened before in Pakistan,in Iran,in Malaysia..this is the most evil plan,and what LJ mentioned as destabilizing countries..this is so true,because of this plan,I may lose my freedom,secular system is in danger,there's an open pressure comin over us..please try to think globally,no single country should consider itself as the center of the world ,there's no such thing..

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Radical Muslims, radical Christians...radical animal lovers, radical hunters, radical gun owners, radical hippies...anyone who is so far left or so far right that they cannot see the center...
those people are dangerous, no matter whom they believe in, where they come from, what language they speak, what holy book they read, what politician they voted for.

bree you said here. i agree 1000% with this.

Finding the balance is probably the hardest thing to do, it requires patience, tolerance and the ability to see both sides and compromise.

I agree with bree too.the problem is with all the radical muslims.I do not believe that any religion tells to kill innocent people..extremists are tending to see it in their own way.

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Kill those who disagree. Common denominator of the soldier and those of rogue faith. If we can all hate what we don't understand, and do away with it accordingly to cure our landscapes (our own or the kind we steal or have stolen from us)of cultures we find abrasive to our sensibilties , maybe we can love just as senselessly one day.No more lynchings,concentration camps,slavery,invasions,suicide or otherwise bombings,scalping,no more shock and awe or any other euphemistic undertakings...All religions are guilty of hate and radical answers to their hate.Religion should offer personal love and comfort, that doesnt come in the form of taking it from others along with the life force.Everyone is guilty.Now everyone should choose,to be part of the problem or part of the solution.No one religion will ever include all beings.No one religion will ever have all members of said religion in total agreement with eachoher.We can only "pray" for rogue love,day to day advancement of ..nirvana,karma,reward...yeah, it's all jaded,no?Even 'reward'?

I disagree with the statement that all religions are guilty of hate....my Bible teaches me love and tolerance. Muslims are the ones who are taught hate and intolerance.

even I never intented to belong any religion(organized or not),I read all those books just to be able to understand where all those believers come from and what's wrong between them,that this ugly war keeps going on and on..but as I see UD,you never get interested in learning.All the religious books have good teachings in them along with some very human logics,which mean those books are re-edited by human being and used by them to manipulate the masses..and when people have prejudice as you have for the other kinds,this politicians never have any difficulty in their manipulative plans and hate never ends..wish you could search a little more before you become so sure of something you never read..simple as taking the books and read them one by one,then watch politics and what kinda s..t going on around the globe..of course if you feel free enough to do that..I must admit,some far east teachings (such as Taoism)are the only ones that can practice tolerance in real life better than others..so it must be possible!!

I never get interested in learning?? ROFLMAO......

There`s not a single verse in the Koran talking about peace with a non-Muslim, with the Jews and the Christians. Islam means submission. Islam means surrender. It means you surrender and accept Islamic hegemony over yourself. It teaches no tolerence for non-believers...Jews, Christians.

That is NOT a peaceful religion.


It teaches that all non-believers are profane people and because of the text and what it says, it incites violence.

That is NOT a peaceful religion.

that's what I mean..you can read different editions of holly books ..this was the first thing that kept me away from all of them.yet I still don't believe Christians(some of them)hate Jews and tortured and killed them because it was said so in Bible..no that can't be..or, why catholics and others hate or fought each other all those years,can this be in a holly book? of course not.same as a priest told an American friend of mine that black people was black because God doesn't love them BS big time but still nothing to do with God or Christianity or not a reason for me to hate them all..An old Libyan man once gave me a Koran and it said killing one person is the same as killing the whole mankind and it's the biggest sin of all,and don't force anyone to make them believers and some other things..So what we should believe is,in my opinion of course,nothing but our own inner selves, for God is in each of us and reachable if we wish to,and it's healthier not to generalize people by their religions,races,sexes and nationalities.I'm repeating myself here but it's all about politics cause politics about earthly craps called power and wealth..I,personally never will buy those idiots' old and cheap tricks and will try to understand (not judge)everyone individually for who they are..

Must be the radical Christians, just like the radical Muslims.Like this game says, its not from the Bible, it's from a bestseller. Some things may not be from the Qu'ran.Some things we're taught don't always play out right in the real world, where violence and intolerance come in all forms.This forum is a prime example of a microscosm , a terrarium form of the bigger picture.Muslims fight against their devil, Cjristians fight against their devil, we're all just fighting eachother wrapped in religious paranoia.Who gets the biggest reward from their God, next time you give your puppy a treat, imagine being God, in charge of the divine reward cookie bowl. Heady.



Violent Christian video game set to be Christmas bestseller
Times Online; Britain December 05, 2006
By Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent of The Times

A video game that depicts a crusade of violence by Christians could be heading for the bestseller charts this Christmas, even though it has been condemned by Muslims and secularists.

The game Left Behind: Eternal Forces is set in post-apocalyptic New York and features God's army battling the Antichrist.

Based on the bestselling Christian fantasy Left Behind series created by Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins, it puts players in command of brainwashed legions fighting the "good fight" for Christianity.

Gamers are ordered to convert or kill in order to re-model America as a Christian-controlled state, and establish its world vision of Christ's dominion over all aspects of life.

Gamers pit battles between the paramilitary Christian Tribulation Force and the grey, faceless Global Community forces of the Antichrist, said to be modelled on the United Nations.

If the Christians fail to convert others to their religion they must kill them in order to progress to the next level, dismissing any other form of religion.

The fantasy is an imagined scenario based on what might happen if the events depicted in the Book of Revelation, the last book of the Bible and the ultimate in theological end games, were to take place today.

Critics accuse its creators of mixing religion and violence to appeal to teenagers hooked on violent games.

Aimed at 13-plus teenagers and originally sold in the US, where the storyline is based, UK outlets are now releasing the game in time for Christmas. It will capitalise on the success of the Left Behind books, which have sold more than 63 million copies worldwide.

Muslim religious groups have denounced the game as portraying their faith as evil and accused its creators of insulting their creed. Ironically, the conservative Christian lobby has often been most vociferous in its denunciations of on-screen violence.

A spokesperson for the Muslim Association of Britain called for the game to be banned, describing it as evil.

He said: "This game is irresponsible and highly racist. It demonises every other religion which isn't Christianity. People must boycott this violent game.

"It is a game that is prejudiced not just towards Muslims but every other religion which is not Christianity.

"Games like this poison the minds of young people and we urge people to boycott it."

Terry Sanderson, President of the National Secular Society, said: "Fundamentalists on both the Christian and the Muslim side are creating this kind of nasty, extreme propaganda and aiming it at young people.

"Parents need to be on their guard. I'm not into banning things or censoring them, but I think most Muslims and most Christians would recognise that this is crude and despicable hate-mongering and give it a wide berth. It is up to parents to ensure that their children are not exposed to this loathsome trash."

Anti-Racist campaigner John Hutson, who has written a number of books on bridging the faith divide, fears the game will foster prejudice and should have never been given a certificate for release in the UK.

He said: "This game is the most dangerous and horrific ever to be produced.

"In the game you are armed with a selection of military weapons and set the task of converting Catholics, Jews, Muslims and Buddhists to fundamental Christianity.

"If you fail to convert other religions you are forced to take them out with extreme prejudice.

"It is a violent, racist game which should never have been released."

Creators Left Behind Games have dismissed the criticism, saying the religious storyline in the game is not taken from the bible and is a creation of the Left Behind authors which should not be taken seriously.

Troy A. Lyndon, Left Behind Games Chief Executive, said: "The game is designed to be a classic battle between good and evil.

"We have deliberately censored the blood and it does not gratuitously depict death or violence.

"Left Behind is not taken from the Bible, it is a fictional story.

"In the initial missions, there is little emphasis on physical warfare and gamers are introduced to powers of influence which result in a battle for the hearts and minds of people."

The game was released in the US on September 9 and was released in the UK on November 14.

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if I were God Pen, I'd delete all the creation I made and would retire forever..
anyway,more I wish to live out of these organizations,more people feel hate for each other because of this concept called religion and make me wish to get out of this planet.but I love this planet, it still is beautiful, what a pity I can't enjoy it anymore.well my only hope for the future is the date in Mayan calendar,we need that change, to remember we are spirits and we are free and able to create everything we wish as a part of God,not just flesh and bone who can only afraid and hate.

religion isn't religion when it's just an excuse...

((LHS!!!!)) <333333

I think God may be made up of a bunch of etired artists, and the world just hasn't got the message yet.

DON'T NEED NO REPLY'S THANK'S MY OPINON THANK'S that people proulem's with power and and control. so people are wrong not the bible is all good.but yes people have all differet believe'sfrom the beging. and not worth fighting about argueing that's all wrong it's persnal bond with you and he and the world is going where it going no stoping it realy so don't try.even the sun moon sky star's everthing's has bin a god before ok. to be and only one god so thier looking at it all wrong for a i'm better than you. ego thing and very common realy seen it to .so i don't think it should be band it all up to the person and this life her is a passing thing and it about building your believe trust in god and love and that he dyed for are sin's and rose again. so people all take the bible and reading and twist it for thier own need's you no and all see it different and justifie for thier life stle's and what they want that's what's wrong so ask god to lead you the write way and see it as the bible .and for realy what it is it's not about power and control. but yes i understand what your saying but your looking at what you see wrong people doing not relidion's faualt people's fault's god a free awsome gift if you want him he's thier it's realy the evil side of flesh and want what is wrong god is OF SPIRIT AND SOUL a inear believe not of this world ok. not religion fault at all people fault.JUST DON'T BE PART OF THIS WHAT IS GOING ON DON'T LET IT PULL YOU IN.ok thier just folling what around and the presure of the world it's sometime alonely road in true believe as god was when no one believed in him and was here for a reason and he new why.and must believe in the holly spirt all one peole don't go deep enough about the truth he give wisdom a must have and would not be doing all what thier doing that who god left us with all so. and man kind and where thier from in a small nut shell.just my opion god the bible is all good .and only can make you a better person if he's realy become's part of you .but like this nomatter not to see war and fighting but that's this world and sad it is in many way's no doubt.the best to all hug's rick/DON'T NEED NO REPLY'S THANK'S MY OPION THANK'S RICK

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hugzzz my favourite Dragon.. hope we'll find the way to Lemuria someday..

Man, this thread makes me sad..

It ****s that the extreme minority can so easily sway opinions against the majority who are doing no wrong..

God, faith and religion are not the problem, if you ask me.. human interpretation's where the fault lies.
Dunno what book Hitler or the slave traders or all those other destructives were reading, but last time i looked my Bible was teaching me about a guy who came to earth to be an example of peace and love and equality, despite the world's ways at the time.

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God, faith and religion are not the problem, if you ask me.. human interpretation's where the fault lies

This thread proves that,no?

Glad you're here with us with the hands-on rationale.